- OneManClan> but i woke up w an insane idea..
01[14:54] <OneManClan> … to get over the other major thing holding AGR develpment back
01[14:54] <OneManClan> (aside from my own difficulties grasping simple concepts!!)
01[14:55] <OneManClan> anyway, i have a question which I us making me nervous just askign it because if the answe is yes it means ‘the sky’s the limit’!
01[14:55] <OneManClan> ok here we go
01[14:56] <OneManClan> is the following somehow, remotely possible
01[14:56] <OneManClan> ssqc says ‘load map foo.bsp’
01[14:56] <OneManClan> (thats ‘1.’)
01[14:57] <OneManClan> 2. all clients get the instruction and load map foo.bsp
01[14:57] <OneManClan> BUT!!!!!
01[14:57] <OneManClan> CSQC clients intercept that instruction and liad foo.q3bsp
01[14:57] <OneManClan> !!!!
01[14:58] <OneManClan> which is IDENTICAL mapwise to foo.bsp
01[14:58] <OneManClan> size of rooms, brushes, blah blah etc
01[14:58] <OneManClan> BUT can incproprate all the AWESOME stuff only q3bsp allows
01[14:59] <OneManClan> possible?1?!!?!?!?!!??!!?1?
06[14:59] * OneManClan steps back from comp and waits for the verdict
01[15:00] <OneManClan> incproprate = incorporate
01[15:01] <OneManClan> ……
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[15:08] <Epicenter> yo
01[15:10] <OneManClan> hello
[15:10] <Epicenter> Just sent to Spoike: saw the new water surface FX in motion in AGR
[15:10] <Epicenter> “My tits are still in orbit, re: the ISS”
01[15:10] <OneManClan> lol
[15:10] <Epicenter> “they say they’ll land in Kentucky tomorrow”
[15:11] <Epicenter> that and the odd warping thing going on when you teleport
01[15:12] <OneManClan> thats normal
[15:12] <Epicenter> I think if I could tone that down 70% it would form a perfect underwater explosion sphere
01[15:12] <OneManClan> ahh yes
01[15:12] <OneManClan> FUN FAKT: (from behind the scenes): during the closing credits.. the video was slowed down to make the water seem thicker
01[15:13] <OneManClan> less ‘babbling brook’, and more ‘deep ominous lake’
04[15:13] <@Spoike> OneManClan: yes, you can do setmodel(world, “foo.q3bsp”); to have the client use a different worldmodel from the server. however, doing so will very likely mess up prediction as the two different formats have very different collision code, so expect precision irregularities.
01[15:13] <OneManClan> !!!!!!!
[15:14] <@Spoike> so I can’t really recommend it. :s
[15:14] <Epicenter> AWFUL copy but here is the kind of explosion I want to replicate:
01[15:14] <OneManClan> do you mean even id i dont use terrain height mapping etc?
[15:14] <Epicenter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rCaiT12snE#t=176
[15:14] <Epicenter> When the torpedoes hit the german U-boat
[15:14] <@Spoike> Epicenter: the water effect is kinda old now. :s
[15:14] <Epicenter> the weird implosion/explosion sphere
01[15:15] <OneManClan> Spoike: or are you referring to the ‘traceline hitting the models tris rather than the BBOX’ issue?
[15:16] <Epicenter> Spoike: I’m making a game that imitates the Sega Effing Saturn.
[15:17] <Epicenter> You think I keep up to date?!
[15:18] <@Spoike> Epicenter: the ‘proper’ way to do screen warps would be to define a shader with ‘sort ripplemap’, use some csqc to set up the ripplemap rendertarget, and then combine the ripplemap with the screen in some post processing shader.
[15:18] <Epicenter> as far as the water FX, yeah we talked about it
[15:18] <Epicenter> but you never get close enough to the surface to see it 🙁
[15:18] <Epicenter> as pretty as it is
[15:18] <@Spoike> normally the ripplemap texture is used by water for stuff like http://triptohell.info/moodles/junk/fte00040.jpg but you can also obtain a version for custom post-processing too
[15:19] <Epicenter> IIRC the teleport bubble effect, the one that looks like when a Terminator teleports in during the movie, is part of Haze. But it’s clearly not just a particle and is triggering some actual shader stuff.
[15:19] <@Spoike> the teleport effect is just a particle effect.
[15:20] <Epicenter> Showed up in AGR and I’d not seen it before
[15:20] <@Spoike> with an attached shader.
[15:20] <@Spoike> with map $currentrender
[15:20] <@Spoike> and some glsl
[15:20] <Epicenter> then it’s not just a particle effect
[15:20] <Epicenter> hiroshima was just this fairly well maintained b-52
[15:20] <Epicenter> … with a nuclear bomb
[15:20] <Epicenter> and a highly trained crew
[15:21] <Epicenter> and a well timed release
[15:21] <@Spoike> actually, it kinda is. the whole effect is stored inside the r_part { }
[15:21] <Epicenter> but it’s still a b-52 😉
[15:22] <Epicenter> I was praying it was something easily imitatable.
[15:22] <Epicenter> Well, and open. Since I’m no artist.
[15:23] <Epicenter> That .. spherical warp thing.
[15:23] <Epicenter> Ugh.. everytime I try to describe something that isn’t programming, I sound like a moron.
[15:24] <@Spoike> http://pastebin.com/cNBnFDEZ
[15:24] <@Spoike> that’s the entirety of the effect
[15:26] <@Spoike> basically takes a screenshot then draws the particle using that screenshot as a texture. and pinches inwards based upon the particle’s alpha value and distance from the middle of the particle
[15:28] <Epicenter> Thanks!
[15:28] <@Spoike> as the alpha fades out, the pinching diminishes, and the screen returns to normal
[15:28] <Epicenter> Probably won’t end up doing that effect exactly
[15:29] <Epicenter> but this is really great learning material
[15:29] <Epicenter> what I’m going for is more of ..
[15:29] <Epicenter> like if you took an area, rectangular, on the csqc end ..
[15:29] <Epicenter> of something that is gonna blow up–
[15:30] <Epicenter> then you pushed its 4 sides out forming a sort of warped circle
[15:30] <Epicenter> blew it up outwards, then shrank it down again, all in the span of 1s
[15:30] <Epicenter> with a burst of long-lasting bubbles following that
[15:30] <Epicenter> a convincing underwater explosion
[15:35] <@Spoike> if you need more arguments, you can spawn a sprite and repurpose various entity fields like .colormod to give more control over the effect from csqc
[15:37] <Epicenter> Shouldn’t require too many vars
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01[15:51] <OneManClan> Spoike (re bsp + q3bsp): why would there be ‘precision irregularities’ if the maps were exactly the same?
01[15:53] <OneManClan> ie lets say (hypothetically) nothign extra was added to the q3bsp version
01[15:53] <OneManClan> import bsp -> Netradiant-> export q3bsp
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[15:59] <@Spoike> give it a go if you dare. its worth a laugh, right?
[15:59] <@Spoike> just be careful with inline models
[16:00] <@Spoike> also, I’m not sure what happens with static entities :s
[16:00] <@Spoike> though I suppose you could always regenerate the clientside
[16:00] <@Spoike> *them
01[16:02] <OneManClan> hm
[16:05] <@Spoike> ham?
[16:08] <TimePath> Can anyone point me to the fteqcc source?
[16:08] <scar3crow> i hope Spoike can
[16:11] <@Spoike> google fteqw svn then look in the trunk/engine/qclib dir
[16:12] <TimePath> Ah, qclib
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[16:18] <TimePath> Thanks
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[17:06] <PrimalLove> side effects of map inception may include trouble sleeping, delusional behavior, depression and scizophrenia
01[17:11] <OneManClan> bsp->q3bsp the easy part: http://pastebin.com/VBKV5mDy
01[17:12] <OneManClan> ^^ to be run at the top of CSQC_Init
[17:14] <@Spoike> you might want to use a break instead of that last return
[17:14] <@Spoike> also, what’s ‘str’?
[17:15] <@Spoike> also you don’t trim any strings. may I recommend the tokenize builtin?
01[17:15] <OneManClan> oops, thats meant to be setmodel(world, q3bsp_mapname);
01[17:16] <OneManClan> the txt file will just have one mapname.q3bsp per line
01[17:16] <OneManClan> (ie I assume i dont need to tokenise)
01[17:17] <OneManClan> ahh break, so i can close the file, oops
01[17:17] <OneManClan> of course, thanks
[17:18] <@Spoike> string newname = strreplace(“.bsp”, “.q3bsp”, world.model);
[17:18] <@Spoike> if (whichpack(newname)) {setmodel(world, newname); otherfixups();}
[17:19] <@Spoike> (whichpack returns null if it doesn’t exist at all, and empty if its exists outside of a pak)
01[17:21] <OneManClan> you mean a pak located on the server
01[17:21] <OneManClan> (of course)
01[17:21] <OneManClan> which the fte clients will automatically download if they dont have it
[17:22] <@Spoike> of course not. I mean a pak/pk3 on the client when the call is made.
01[17:22] <OneManClan> (ugh … still got ezquakers on the brain)
01[17:22] <OneManClan> ah.. i assumed i could just load the q3bsp to the server
01[17:23] <OneManClan> hm, that means the function will need to include the path…
[17:23] <@Spoike> if you use the pk3 mechanism, sure, clients will download it. just make sure you wait until everything else is basically loaded and then load even more content instead.
01[17:24] <OneManClan> isn the map the first thing the client loads?
01[17:24] <OneManClan> hm even if it is, i suppose it’ll just look like a mapchange
01[17:24] <OneManClan> (which it is!)
[17:24] <@Spoike> the bsp the server tells it to load? sure..
01[17:25] <OneManClan> what do you think spoike, is this idea relalistic?
01[17:25] <OneManClan> realistic
[17:25] <@Spoike> meh, I don’t remember the load order. iirc its csqc that’s loaded first
[17:25] <@Spoike> so that it can deal with loading screens
01[17:25] <OneManClan> ah
01[17:26] <OneManClan> were you nitpicking earlier re ‘precision errors’?
01[17:26] <OneManClan> or are we talking stuff that could affect gameplay?
[17:26] <@Spoike> if you ‘poke’ a model during that time then it’ll prioritise loading of that model and stall. but that doesn’t mean you actually have the pk3s loaded yet.
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04[17:32] <PrimalLove> OneManClan: Other than to say you can do it, what is the purpose of using the q3bsp?
01[17:33] <OneManClan> 1. awesome looking maps w no need for ppl to manually download new textures
01[17:33] <OneManClan> 2. awesome lighting effects
[17:33] <PrimalLove> i mean you going through quite a bit to give your csqc players schizophrenia
[17:33] <PrimalLove> so its just for visual improvements?
01[17:34] <OneManClan> yes visual improvements
[17:35] <PrimalLove> well as long as i get my fedora
[17:35] <PrimalLove> im down
01[17:35] <OneManClan> new players (using csqc) will no longer be penalised because the mod has to cater to ezquakers
01[17:37] <OneManClan> and fte users can see stuff like this!!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6PXba8X6N8
[17:38] <PrimalLove> wait wha?
01[17:39] <OneManClan> Primal: Ok that might take more than a few days 🙂
[17:39] <PrimalLove> schizo…
[17:40] <PrimalLove> id be interested in seeing the results tho
[17:41] <PrimalLove> how difficult is it to port those maps to q3bsp?
01[17:42] <OneManClan> lol.. i was kidding
[17:42] <PrimalLove> no i mean regular quake maps
01[17:43] <OneManClan> ah, well .. heres an early attempt I did a fre months back:
01[17:43] <OneManClan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/60268498@N06/16241074101/
01[17:43] <OneManClan> fre = few
01[17:44] <OneManClan> oops wrong link
[17:44] <PrimalLove> …
01[17:44] <OneManClan> um thats an example of a normal map id live to see in the game
01[17:44] <OneManClan> https://www.flickr.com/photos/60268498@N06/14071296834/
[17:46] <PrimalLove> interesting
01[17:46] <OneManClan> thats a raw import into netradiant IIRC
01[17:47] <OneManClan> ‘raw’ as in nothing changed
[17:48] <PrimalLove> this was done with a 2fort source map file?
01[17:48] <OneManClan> no
[17:48] <PrimalLove> or convertted from bsp
01[17:48] <OneManClan> just importing the bsp
01[17:52] <OneManClan> the textures were gone…
01[17:53] <OneManClan> … but the basic elements /brushes seemed to be all there https://www.flickr.com/photos/60268498@N06/13884268579/
01[17:54] <OneManClan> though there was some issue wth water IIRC
01[17:55] <OneManClan> some areas of the map i couldn’t walk through/into
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[18:05] <PrimalLove> I would expect some issues like this. For testing its best probably for you to create two maps from scratch, one bsp and one q3bsp
[18:07] <PrimalLove> just a simple room with a bit of geometry so you can runs some tests as fte/csqc and ezquaker
[18:09] <PrimalLove> just to see if the concept works and if you encounter any collision problems
01[18:11] <OneManClan> yea
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