What: Weekly AGR Session
Where: tastyspleen.net:26666
When: Sunday 22:00 GMT. Convert this to your timezone here.
Who: You
Why: We don’t really need a ‘why’ here, do we?
MAP SCHEDULE = see the vid!
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AGR VENTRILLO SERVER
We use a voice chat ventrillo for voice chat during AGR games. Download it, install it, and connect to 78.129.193.9, port 4298, AGR (Red+Blue) channels. Password is sent to those on the AGR Mailing List, but if you ask nicely during the game, someone might help you out.
DEMOS
Thanks to Sapphired, this Session (and previous ones) will be available for download here.
To save QTF an all-in-1 package will be needed with everything ready to go out of the box. As it stands QTF is just not accessible enough to people who have never played Quake 1 online before.
What has really killed QTF more than anything though is the constant in-fighting between players. I’ve never known a community of people to be so fractured and split up into petty little alliances. I could reference Phoenix Labs, Amnesia, 4 The People as classic cases of players not seeing the wood for the trees. Some really short sighted behavior and a real shame to think what could of been.
I hope some players at least come back for the odd game and not get too offended by players like Doc
Yes, the all-in-one package is probably the only way we’ll ever see regular 20+ player games again. It IS being worked on … but it isn’t easy.. I might do a ‘progress report’ video, though I fear it will be full of boring technical jargon, much of which I barely understand myself 🙂
A GREAT Session today, nice turnout 14(?) people at one point (ok, that’s including spectators 🙂 ) Btw Demos are up of dkeep (very tough, very satisfying) spit1 (intense gameplay as always, featuring a sneaky tele (or two!) in the acid!), and shoop (KILLER tesla work by KOP). I didn’t think the other demos were worth unloading, so if anyone wants a copy let me know.
Sorry, I meant not seeing the forest for the trees 🙂
Session score: 8/10
Man of the session (MOS): KOP
1. dkeep (3v3) 6/10 – nothing special, straight forward map, blue were wining by 7-0, i went feed dat cat, returned was like 7-5, red found out how to use chap+offensive hacker and here we go, like 9-8 red won.
2. spit 9/10 (5v5) for blue: epic def – 4 solders with power auras + psionic + smart engi in RR – no FR def and here we go a great revenge for KOP cheap and sneaky FR acid teles that caused 4 ezy frags for red (epic fail for blue). Comeback was great, no chance at all, but someone mentioned that Ein went jerking after 20 minutes of match and that caused weak and retardish red attack. RR def was just brilliant, bible for RR defending.
3. Shoop (5v5) 9/10 blue, 6/10 red. It was most epic and funniest shoop match ever played, demo worth uploading. 5-0 for blue after 35 minutes. Non stop invisible hand coordinated TEAMPLAY action for blue. The heart of defence was KOPs INTSA (immortal) tesla that was resupplied all 30 minutes non stop, tesla location just near the blue spawn, so its ezy to repair and maintain it. I was on roof full time with some guyz from time to time. Rly nice intense action. Second half KOP was whoring red with super cheap (300 armour, no brains, no weapons) class and red managed to win. Lot of funny in game moments with gymnast ability ofc)
4. Bam4 (6v6) 4/10 for blue, 8/10 for red
KOP use cheap (300 armor, grapple, no brains) tactic and bring some cheap and ezy flags. Red was very annoying and agressive with psionic, Cols, teles, SG’s in our FR and othr stuff. No RR def for blue = fail.
5. Rock2 (5v5) 2/10 for blue, 7/10 red
Retard snipers show, areas open non coordinated def, ffs. Most frags from red snipers and annoying psionists. Personally i could not find my role in macth and full failed with class and position. 1-3 blues were trying to play normal but failed.
A more basic summary of the first 2 games:
1. dkeep (3vs3)
Blue domination. Red player goes Chaplain, blue demoman goes spec. Red domination.
2. spit (5vs5)
Excellent blue RR defense ruined by some truly incompetent FR defense that allowed a tele to survive for 4 caps…?
Sneaky KOP, with cheap tactics managed to get FR while we were fighting like real men. He was 5 minutes standing under the backdoor waiting for cheap moment when someone open it. Was rly funny, i got scanner and track him all time, sometimes open door slaps his thief ass and close door. But once he managed to build acid tele using grapple like a r-ded player, here we go, 4 cheap flags for free, blues dropped to lava and suffer lot.
BTW, found out that Col.Kurz is really funny bot, he just very hungry to track everything and follow everything (even in wrong direction) with his fire, no clue about TF goals, like bull on red clothes. Rly r-ed, it’s like u have 4 enemies and one enemy bot, not enjoyed fighting with bot rly.
I manage to use his in-game brainless and trap him to death, was so funny 🙂
BTW OMC if u think message moderation is ok, and u can choose what message to publish and what not, so i refuse to play. It’s not personal thing (talking as administrative issue only), its like people talking to community and why should one guyz decide what to publish and what to not, like he judge better for all?
If there is no insulting, spam, flood, ads why my comment should wait for approvement? Why not instant? If someone want to share opinion, thoughts etc with community, why it’s should take 24 hour of some kind of approvement? It smells like USSR censoring. Same issue with a forum, so for that reason do not have any intention to post to forum. Its like u not talking to community its like u talking to OMC and he decides what is good what is not for community.
And i track would this comment be published or not.
Firstly, as you (hopefully) noticed, your post was published instantly, no KGB, no censorship, no USSR; ok comrade? 😉
Secondly, yes, the website is moderated (of course), but I am still learning wordpress/phpbb (the forum software) and still don’t get why occasionally they both ask me to approve a comment from someone who has already been registered. The weird thing is that I also get spam/ads sent to the forum, and to get to join the forum you have to answer the question “what colours do attackers go?” so a real human must (at some point) have actually read and answered the question.. weird.
To me If someone is making claims of hacking in such a niche of the quake world they’re not thinking about the fact that some have been playing tf since IT STARTED. There will be a huge difference in skill level but so what, playing against great players is what makes us better. AGR isn’t about winning, it’s about learning and strategy. Like you said, some of the best have been 2v2. The BEST case scenario if you are blue is a stalemate of no caps.
None of mine AGR forum post have been published, wtf admins? Plus why someone were avoiding his perma ban during last session, wtf?
I give AGR admins second change to fix those simple issues to next session overwise i’ll sabotage AGR for long period of time.
I don’t understand what you mean. I’m looking at your post right now on the forum (“Re: Demos: Ein cheating on caverns.” by sapphired » Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:48 am ):….like clan wars or tournamebts with money prizes”
“Beltan Ein was not cheating, plz calm down….
Can’t you see it?
Yes see, but i cannot see that i replyed to this http://www.attackersgored.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=96 may be it’s kind of AGR politics, some messages published, some not in order to keep healthy environment.
And OMC, someone should NOT avoid his banning term, so i suppose, someone should be banned for a very long period like 1/2 or year WITHOUT ANY possibility to join, if someone tryed to join, someone should be kicked/banned by IP and added someones more ban term.
You should realize it is the only way for violators to learn something from his past 5 years AGR session shitting, otherwise games still be same quality. Last session we had better quality matches due no possibility for banned person affect on game. So if you let someone who already banned and should learn something from his 1/2 or perma year ban why u let someone join via proxy, use fake name and continue shitting during AGR session.This is ridiculous. If you let punished person play and avoid the ban, so what is the point of punishing? It will not teach him something, it’s pointless. Ban should affect on person and reduce his unpunished actions. The only way is to fully restrict taking part in AGR session for a long period. After this period person will think wise before acting like it did before, and if same acting will continue, person should suffer double term ban without any ‘ifs’, otherwise it possible to sacrifice community integrity.
So the only way I can affect on admin decision it’s self-sacrifice by banning myself from AGR activity. Guess other conscious guyz will join me in this act. If you have not enough will power to ban a player it’s possible to appoint those functions to someone else.
And i wrote this for the only reason make matches better quality and avoid ‘clown-attention-whore-griefing’ show like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLLf7qaqZc) that ruined many AGR sessions during last 5 years.
5 years in enough to make certain conclusion to someones attitude to AGR, community, matches and stuff.
So next session if i will see someone trying to avoid ban and admins do not take care, so i refuse to take part in AGR session for a long period. Violators ban should teach them something without any ‘ifs’.
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@sappYour comment is awaiting moderation.@
As I said, I don’t know why some comments ask for moderation and others don’t. Maybe you’re logging in differently, maybe there’s some limit. Is it a problem? Have you posted something that never appeared? If the answer is no, your questioning my integrity, and ‘will power’ is (imho) coming off as troll like, so let’s move on to more important issues.
Re: people trying to get around bans .. yes, there are ways to get around IP based bans, this isn’t Steam, this is Quakeworld. Do you want to spend every Session not playing, but speccing every ‘new’ player in case they are a banned player in disguise’? I don’t. Was there a problem last session? Was the gameplay affected? Sapp, this isn’t the USSR. I am not Stalin. There is no KGB. Punish voting is ON in AGR. If the people, the players, the ‘collective eyes’ of the Registered Players see something, then we *as a group* can vote to ban/kick/mute/cuff someone. Other than preventing unregistered players from playing, I don’t know of another solution. If you know one, then let us know.
>Punish voting is ON in AGR. If the people, the >players, the ‘collective eyes’
No, i’m talking about banning certain person from AGR activity for long period of time without any possibility to join. Not talking about discussing the situation around the issue. If you want play with certain person and let it affect of game play, so i’m definately out.
You talking about collective eyes and stuff like ‘i don’t care, voting is ON’. It doesn’t sound like a solution for me.
>Was there a problem last session? Was the gameplay affected?
Yes i don’t want play with full retard who spoil every session for 5 years and make games not such quality as expected. If you unable to make long term permaban or take responsibility for it or just not Stalin enough to do this, so see you as soon as at RockOctober 2013.
Assume other players tolerated enough to play such quality games where clown perfomance is a part of a game, i’m not. Yes it is time for fun/show but at least not during 1-2 fist matches. Matches can be more intense action, more competitive, more interesting but what we have instead of this with certain people who affected on quality?
I’ve experiensed with top-class quakelive community – the “most community” among game communities. But the regular (pickup) matches all was just super focused on match and result and it deliver great pleasure from playing, all players forced to use team speak, so games was BRILLIANT, EPIC and it cannot be compared to AGR retardish gameplay, where players just sniping around eat chicken and talk to chat, trolling around, afk for 1/2 of match and stuff. It reminds me playing chess in retard hospital, where everytime is possible that one of the players grap chess pieces throw to opponent or begin to eat it. So thats how sometimes AGR session looks like.
-Noone cares or responsable for minimal discipline at least first 1-2 matches
-No autoshuffle based on players skills
It’s all to voting that doesnot work. I\m not talkin that AGR is ‘serious biz’ but what we have BAD every session can be avoided or minimized.
And now you talking sound like ‘guyz its up to you, vote plz, i cannot do ban, cause its resposibility and very personal thing, certain person is a nice guy, not in a mood today @Was there a problem last session? Was the gameplay affected? @’ – no there was no problem, 5 years we got brilliant matches with funny chat talks, serious competitive matches and all griefer’s stuff attached.
I don’t force to do certain things, blackmail and stuff and may be such situation is kinda normal and its kinda normal for this community but i’m def not going to play in such NOT HEALTY ENVIRONMENT.
[If you unable to make long term permaban or take responsibility for it or just not Stalin enough to do this]
When I said “I’m not Stalin” I was responding to your suggestion that moderating posts “smells like USSR censoring”.
[-Noone cares or responsable for minimal discipline at least first 1-2 matches]
‘Discipline’? If you know how to make everyone show up early, ready to play at 22:00GMT, PLEASE let me know. 🙂
[-No autoshuffle based on players skills]
This is a completely separate (and complex) issue which I’d rather discuss another time.
[It’s all to voting that doesnot work. I\m not talkin that AGR is ‘serious biz’ but what we have BAD every session can be avoided or minimized]
I believe the Registration System has helped. I’m always open to other suggestions.
[And now you talking sound like ‘guyz its up to you, vote plz, i cannot do ban, cause its resposibility and very personal thing, certain person is a nice guy,]
I don’t know how much you know about proxy servers, but (as I already said) Quakeworld bans are “IP based”. This means that if someone connects with a different IP, the server doesn’t know who it is. This is not about OMC’s ‘moods’, this is the reality of how Quakeworld servers work.
There are extra restrictions on what non Registered Players can do in the upcoming AGRv4, but I doubt things will ever be perfect on a public server. Hopefully the new client will attract a bunch of new players, and the one or two retards who ‘eat the chess pieces’ will be lost in the crowd of Grand Masters.
ps I think BIG discussions like this might be better on the forum, where people can find them, and contribute weeks or even months later
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Must say, Sapphired’s above posts made me laugh out loud. At some points I was in stitches! 🙂
Amazing stuff from the man from the Ukraine. Please Sapph, write a detailed wiki for AGR on all the players who have been here a while. It would make for entertaining reading!
Whilst I share Sapph’s displeasure at waiting for moderated posts I have no idea what went on last session. I enjoyed the first 2 games so I can only assume the games after is what Sapphired meant? Did a banned player play or something?
Please OMC, when you get the time remove this from forums…
“This message has been submitted successfully, but it will need to be approved by a moderator before it is publicly viewable. You will be notified when your post has been approved.”
Ugh, I had a look and yes there WERE a bunch of forum posts “waiting approval”. I think the posts from unknown posters on this page result in an email sent to me, (“a post is waiting for your approval” or something) but the one on the forums I have to manually approve. But not most of them. (?) Sorry people, if anyone has expertise in phpbb, they can tell me the right settings to use. I will look into it when I have more time.
Meanwhile, I agree, the first two games were great. Sapp told me he suspected a banned player was playing, and because I didn’t stop playing to investigate, he’s suggesting that I approved, or didn’t care.
Yes thanks)
Yes he did play on bam4 for sure + he was camping spawn with 300 ping using fake nickname. So he was avoiding his ban.